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    November 25, 2013
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coming up right now, "the ed show," with ed schultz. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show," live from new york. let's get to work. ♪ is the white house hailing its nuclear deal to push off the front pages all the problems with obama care? we'll have a fair and balanced look at the media coverage, coming up. >> a lot of people have problems with this deal. >> a lot of criticism. >> there are a lot of folks out there that think this iran deal is sort of a shiny object. >> fair and unbalanced look at the media coverage. >> to say, look, this story has gotten way away from us. >> fair and balanced -- >> some people are skeptical, critical. why now? >> what does this all mean? >> for the first time in nearly a decade, we have halted the progress of the iranian nuclear
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program. >> do you think this is an attempt to change the subject? >> oh, maybe because they're trying to change the subject, obama care not working out. we'll have a fair and balanced look at the media coverage. >> why now? >> simply put, they cut off iran's most likely paths to a bomb. >> this say legacy thing with this iran deal. you would think that he would think. good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. well, it's thanksgiving week. we have a lot to be thankful for. maybe we could be thankful we're not going to be exchanging nukes with the iranians, huh? eat some turkey over that one. what does it take for the republicans to say, good job, mr. president? are they even capable of doing that, or is the hate just so deeply seated, they can't bring themselves to it? i was stunned by the reaction of the righties. saturday marked another foreign policy victory for the obama
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administration. it's a step forward. but, of course, the republicans, they can't stand it. in fact, they are so upset, they're just making stuff up. you see, they reached a tentative, temporary deal to curb tehran's nuclear program for six months. can we at least give that a shot? and of course, we're going to have to allow the sanctions to be lifted, some of them. it is the first time in a decade that iran's nuclear program has been halted. is that positive? i think so. it's also the highest level of contact in 30 years between the united states and iran. president obama gave a rare saturday night press conference to announce the deal. >> for the first time in nearly a decade, we have halted the progress of the iranian nuclear program. and keep key parts of the program will be rolled back. these are substantial limitations which will help prevent iran from black a nuclear weapon. simply put, they cut off iran's
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most likely paths to a bomb. meanwhile, this first step will create time and space over the next six months for more negotiations to fully address our comprehensive concerns about the iranian program. >> okay. so we're going to find out if the iranians can be honest brokers. in fact, the world is going to find out. if it's a win for president obama, be assured that republicans are going to be outraged. sure enough. republicans are already coming out and slamming the deal. in fact, it took only just a few hours. texas senator, john cornyn, really surprised me. he immediately tweeted out, "amazing what white house will do to distract attention from obama care." really? senator, did you do this, or did one of your interns or low-level staffers? think about that. our people have been meeting with their people for months on end. so they think it's a distraction from obama care? can you imagine that conversation? president obama picks up the
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phone and calls john kerry, secretary of state. johnnie, i'm getting killed by obama care, dude, you've got to get a deal! get a deal with the iranians. it is amazing the level of rhetoric they'll throw at the american people. but not to be outdone, mike rogers, who happens to be the chairman of the house intelligence committee, said, "it's almost like it's a deal just to get a deal." really? it's a deal just to get a deal. so can you imagine that conversation? president obama saying, we've got to get something with the iranians, because this obama care website is a little bit slow. well, maybe the republicans said it because they knew some broadcasters on the right would take the bait, none other than the folks across the street. fox news channel steve douchey jumped on the obama care distraction bandwagon. he wasted no time spreading the absurd idea. >> oh, isn't that curious timing. out of nowhere, you know, the amidst of obama care not unrolling correctly, the
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president's poll numbers never been lower. look, john kerry polls are out of his head and changes the subject. >> that's absolutely amazing. neil saw it too. he said, hey, let's get a promo running for their obama care distraction, special report coming up. >> hey. look over here. is the administration trying to distract america from obama care? where do they want your attention? herman cain on a can't miss. >> there's an expert. if you need an expert advice on foreign policy, there is nobody smarter than the pizza man. herman cain was at the top of his game when it came to international issues. >> i'm ready for the gotcha questions, and they're already starting to come. and when they ask me who is the president of u becky becky stan stan, you know i'm going to say you know, i don't know. do you know? >> i kind of think that's where this whole distraction idea came from. this is utterly amazing. but it also shows how desperate
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the right wing is, to develop any kind of narrative they can in the media, so people will pick it up and say, yeah, this iranian thing is all about obama care. i mean, it's outrageous. give me a break. obama care, i know it doesn't show it in the polls right now, but i think that the people are a little bit behind this one. obama care has been on a roll over the last couple weeks. nobody wants to report it. the federal exchange is working better on a day-to-day basis. day after day, it's getting better. the state exchanges are booming. the 14th state-based exchanges, oh-oh, bad news here. doubled enrollment in the first half of the month of november, jumping from 79,000 to 150,000 in just 14 days. how in the heck did they do that? let's face it. if that trend keeps up, representatives can say goodbye to their bogus talking points. look, meanwhile, there is another major reason republicans are really trashing this iranian deal. it flies in the face of the neo con agenda. what did president obama do?
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well, he'll never convince these guys, but he did take out osama bin laden. hannity said he wasn't sure if obama wanted to do it. what else did he do? well, he ended gadhafi's rule of terror with an international coalition. you mean we got rid of gadhafi without invading him? yeah, we did that. americans were kind of high on that. and then, of course, ended the war in iraq. we're not killing 14,000 people anymore on faulty intelligence. things are winding down in afghanistan. and also the president has managed to start dismantling syria's chemical weapons program without any military action. and now for the first time in a decade, there is progress with iran. you simply can't compete with this list of foreign policy accomplishments. they're not victories. they're moving in a direction where maybe we can avert confrontation. but the republicans? they don't buy it. it drives them absolutely crazy. another reason republicans are
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guy, right here. the fact that john kerry, he's a part of it? really? we've never liked this guy. john kerry helped reach a deal, just put salt in the political wounds of the republicans. should have beaten bush in 2004. remember everything they said about him? remember all the foreign policy suggestions he had? now they're coming to fruition. in 2013, setting possibly a new direction. this isn't a cave-in. this is an opportunity. but, you see, everything has to be against obama. everything. no matter what the subject. it could be a pipeline. it could be immigration. it could be taxation. it could be health care. it could be public education. obama has never done anything right. earlier today, president obama, well, this tough talk is bad for our national security. >> we cannot commit ourselves to an endless cycle of conflict. and tough talk and bluster may
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be the easy thing to do politically, but it's not the right thing for our security. >> that's just common sense that will never be accepted by these guys. but i'm absolutely amazed that this senator right here tweeted out what he tweeted out. i thought that rick perry was the dumbest guy in texas. well, we've got another candidate on our hands. look, doesn't matter what the subject is. president obama is wrong, all of the time, on the right. he can't do anything correct. here's how we should look at this. trust, but verify. i think one of their heroes said that at one time. why not give it a six-month opportunity. and why not move forward with the iranians and let them prove to the world they're honest brokers. they would have to have the most secretive facilities on the face of the earth to get away with this. and i don't think they've got that. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question. in republican minds, can can president obama ever do anything right? text a. for yes, text b. for no to 67622. you can always go to our blog at
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ed.msnbc.com. we'll bring the results later on in the show. let's bring in congressman chris van holland of maryland. good to have you with us tonight. >> good to be with you, ed. >> john cornyn, texas senator, said this whole thing with the iranians was a manufactured distraction away from obama care. i'm curious what your reaction is to that. >> well, ed, it's either the most incredible display of ignorance we have seen in a long time, or it's purely political. ignorance in the sense that anybody who has been following the iranian talks knows that after the election of president rouhani last summer, we have been engaged in these negotiations with the iranians. so to even suggest that somehow the timing of this is related to obama care is ridiculous. i suspect that this is more about politics. i think that republican pollsters have told every republican politician to make sure you say obama care in any sentence you've got.
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if there is a hurricane somewhere in the country or the world, i'm sure it's somehow going to be related to obama care. and so when it came time to discuss this issue, as well, they just had to say obama care. now, i agree with you. that as we get the kinks and problems out of the system, the marketplace sign-up system, people are going to begin to like what they see. but obviously, we've got to get to that point. but in the meantime, republicans, as i said, are just going to try and play politics with this. >> now, some democrats are critical of this iranian deal. what do you think of that? there is no deal that's going to be perfect. i guess i view this as an opportunity to find out if the iranians really want to be serious about brokering some kind of peaceful settlement with the rest of the world, and it will vet them out on their intention. is there much division in the democratic camp about this? >> i don't think so. and i really hope everybody will sit down and really take a close look at this agreement. this is not about trusting the
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iranians. there are very specific requirements the iranians have to meet. there is a very comprehensive verification regime. daily inspections are allowed. and at the end of the day, the reality is, under this agreement, which is an interim agreement, iran has to actually neutralize its most highly enriched uranium. the uranium-enriched at 20%. and freeze the rest of their enrichment activities. and the fact of the matter is, people have to ask themselves the question, what's the alternative? so folks who are being critical have to explain why they want the iranians to be able to accelerate their nuclear enrichment activity during the six-month period, which they would be free to do in the absence of an agreement. and then they have to explain what their response would be. do people want to skip diplomacy and go straight to military action and war? if that's their position, they should come clean. >> congressman, i want to play a clip from the chairman of the
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house intelligence committee. his reaction to the deal. here's republican congressman mike rogers of michigan. >> i think this was a deal for the sake of a deal. and i think that's dangerous. it makes the next six months even more difficult to get to a place where we need to be. >> deal for the sake of a deal. how do you read that? >> again, i think that that's politics. because i think mike knows better. as i indicated before, if you don't have an agreement during this six-month period, then iran is free to actually accelerate its nuclear enrichment activities. under this agreement, it will be harder for them to break out. we'll have more lead time if there was any effort by the iranians to break out. so, again, people who are against it, they need to explain why they believe that iran would just sit on its hands and do nothing in this six-month period. in my view, it's very naive to think that if we do nothing, the
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iranians are just going to, you know, pack it up and end their nuclear program. at least what this does is puts constraints on it, and inspection regime, and during this six-month period, we will negotiate with them for a fuller agreement. >> congressman, where is the political gamble here? what is the down side for people in the congress who vehemently support this opportunity? >> well, only somebody who believed they were going into this process somehow saying well, we're going to trust the iranians, and raised expectations very high, they could certainly be disappointed. i think those of us who look at the parameters of this deal and think the pros vastly outweigh the cons are not going into it thinking that somehow there has been this personality change in iran. but what we believe is that there are very clear -- measured -- measurements that we can -- progress points, benchmarks, that we can measure against. and if you look at what the iranians got, they got relief
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over a very small sliver of sanctions. if they don't comply during this six-month period, those sanctions will not be relieved. and if at the end of the six-month period we're not satisfied with next steps, we can reverse the sanctions. the overwhelming architecture of the sanctions remain in place throughout the six-month period. >> congressman chris van holland, good to have you with us on "the ed show." have a great thanksgiving. >> happy thanksgiving to you and all. share your thoughts with us on twitter at edshow. is it a good deal? i think it's a great opportunity. and, of course, also share your thoughts on facebook. we always want to know what you think. coming up, obama care anyway sayer, john boehner, really has something to cry about now. plus, right wing pundits blow up over the senate's nuclear option.
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. time now for the trenders, social media. this is where you can find us. facebook.com/edshow. twitter.com/edshow. and ed.msnbc.com. and on the radio, monday through friday, noon to 3:00 p.m., channel 127, sirius xm, and liberal talk stations across the country. "the ed show" social media nation has decided and we are reporting. here are today's top trenders, voted on by you. >> obama care is the law of the land. >> the number three trender, critical care. >> the problem with obama care isn't just the website. >> must be an on button somewhere. >> it's the whole wall. >> it stinks. >> obama care is like a wet blanket over our economy. >> john boehner's obama care stunt backfires. >> healthcare.gov has driven a lot of people to tears. >> i just have a lot of feelings. >> but for once in his career, one great man will not be crying over it. >> speaker john boehner has enrolled in the d.c. exchange.
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>> boehner says signing up through the federal website was not a smooth process. >> congratulations, speaker boehner! you're now one of millions of americans who are benefitting from obama care. >> the number two trender. meow playing ♪ i came in like a wrecking ball ♪ >> well, there he is. >> miley cyrus goes out for her wrecking ball performance. >> all right. >> can we put that cat in a hat? >> yeah you. ♪ >> in today's top trender, busted. >> i'm always amused by the nuclear option oh debate. >> like i'm a crown? >> it is the most spectacular display of congressional hypocrisy. >> we're being too nice here. >> white wing pundits blast the
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nuclear option. >> once you range the rule, that means there are no rules now. >> rules are, there ain't no rules. >> the majority leader has been amazing. >> the means in which this was done, was a rather low-down way. >> republicans were not confirming every appellate court judge as quickly as the administration would like, and holding up some executive appointees -- >> a lot. >> it's not unconstitutional or illegal, but it's constitutionally indecent. >> we are joined tonight, eugene robinson joins us, msnbc political analyst and columnist for "the washington post." eugene, great to have you with us. so the big fear here now is, ooh, the democrats must have done something really, really bad for america. what do they have to fear politically at this point? i realize that average americans don't know all about senate rules and i wouldn't think if you did a man on the street, you might not have people explain exactly what the filibuster procedures are and what not. and i'm kind of thinking that this is what right wingers are thinking with billy crystal going out there and saying that senator reid is responsible for
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the record number of filibusters. i mean, it just amazes me. your thoughts on all of this. capsulize it. >> you're right. average americans -- indeed, most americans -- average or exceptional, really don't care about senate rules. and because who cares about an organization's parliamentary rules, that who studies that stuff. it's very difficult for them to get traction on this without this hype bollic rhetoric. it sounded from the intro as if bill and charles really should try the decaff and get down off the ceiling a bit. >> what are they talking about? they are presenting the picture to the american people the united states senate was running as smoothly as it possibly could. >> right, and the united states senate was paralyzed. look, there was this set of rules in the senate that had --
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had functioned in the past, because parties in the minority had basically recognized that they were indeed in the minority. and so they used the filibuster sparingly. they used it when they really cared about an issue or really cared about a nominee. and it had -- it had great impact. but this republican minority, under mitch mcconnell, has used the filibuster over and over again. day in and day out, time and time again, to block a record number of executive and judicial appointments. and to the point where it was affecting the functioning of government. you can't run a government if you can't put anybody in charge of an agency. >> now, republicans have blocked major pieces of legislation. everything -- you know, from jobs to fairness in the workplace. what should the democrats make of -- what -- how far should they push on this? i mean, this is just for the executive, and it's also for
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judicial appointees. but what about legislation? >> well, you know, i think they're not at that opponent yet. and i think harry reid believes that would be -- another big step to essentially take away from the filibuster for legislation. look, you can argue about policy. i think you can make an argument that policy is different from appointments, which, after all, should be the president's purgative. the president doesn't get every single piece of legislation that he wants. and republicans -- the minority should be acting much better than it's acting now. and perhaps it gets to that point. but harry reid clearly decided it hadn't gotten to that point yet. it's interesting to do the experiment, however. if the shoe were on the other fit. if there were a republican president, if there were a republican minority -- majority in the senate that was being thwarted by a democratic minority, time and time again, do you think it would take longer than a new york minute for them to get rid of the
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filibuster in any and all circumstances? i don't think so. >> well, they were using the term obstructionist on tom daschle back in, what, 2002, 2003. because they didn't get everything they wanted. a record number of filibusters across the board. no other president has had to put up with this kind of obstruction, so this is a minor change when it comes to executive appointees, and crystal is trying to say that senator harry reid is the problem? clearly, he's banking on the stupidity or the naivete of the american people. i want to talk about this iranian deal. politically. how do we measure how big this iranian deal is when republicans are all about everything the president does is wrong? >> well, that's the position republicans are going to take. but it will be very interesting, ed, to see some polling of actual people on this issue. because we saw from the question of syria, and i'm convinced we're going to see on the question of iran again, there is no appetite in this country for
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going to war again in the middle east, especially -- especially if you can achieve, as much as has been achieved in this agreement, by negotiation. they have shut down the iranian nuclear program for six months to give time for a permanent negotiation or permanent agreement. in fact, the nuclear program moves backwards. you have to stockpile and dilute some of the iranian -- the uranium rich people would be delighted, republicans would be delighted if you got this after a strike. why aren't they delighted if you got it after negotiation? >> the neo con world, we would have troops in syria, troops in egypt, troops in libya. and it's just been a different play under president obama. very -- eye-opening, i think, and enlightening in a real slam to the neo con agenda, no doubt. eugene rob ohhin son, great to have you with us on "the ed show." thanks so much for joining us. >> great to be here, ed. coming up, republicans are threatening new sanctions that could derail a major foreign policy victory for the obama
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we will start today, literally, to continue the efforts out of geneva and to press forward. . >> doesn't sound like anybody spiking the football to me. welcome back to "the ed show." now the hard part begins? after more than three decades of diplomatic gridlock between iran and the west, we're witnessing possible breakthrough. but secretary of state john kerry made it clear, there is still a lot of work to be done. the historic diplomatic agreement signed early sunday morning in general he hava sets new boundaries and loosens the choke hold of international sanctions to an extent on iran's economy. it was signed by iran, and the p5 plus 1, the five permanent members of the u.n. security council, plus germany. the new six-month deal halts all enrichment of uranium above 5%. well below the level needed to make the nuclear fuel for a weapon. iran must dilute or convert any of its stockpile that stands near 20% before the end of the
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first phase. iran can can keep its centrifuges, but new centrifuges cannot be installed. and those not currently operating cannot be started up. folks, this amounts to some significant concessions by the iranians. why did they do the deal? in return, the united states has agreed to provide 6 to $7 billion in sanction relief. this is like hitting the pause button on iran's nuclear program while we take time to arrive at a more comprehensive agreement. we still have a ways to go. so let's be clear here. this is an opportunity, not a guarantee, but it's the best opportunity we have had in decades. joining me now, our rapid response panel, medal of honor recipient and msnbc military analyst, colonel jack jacobs and tommy veto tore with us tonight, oh former spokesman and foundder of fenway strategies. why do you think they did this?
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>> they're on the run. in big trouble. more than $100 billion they have got tied up. they can't trade. the rial in free-fall. the economy is a mess. and the need to do something. they are really on the run. they've got to work oh some five deal that gives them enough breathing room to kickstart the economy again if they don't do that, they are in real trouble. >> they're in approving stage right now, in a big way. >> we don't believe anything they say. they have always object if i skated, procrastinated, lied and so on. so they really have to prove to everybody that they mean business. >> and, of course, netanyahu is very critical of the whole deal. that's to be expected. >> you can't expect anymore. he's not the only one. so is saudi arabia. quite frankly, anybody in the region is very fearful of what might happen if the chokehold comes, and they properly should be. don't forget that iran has threatened to destroy israel and
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so on. you have to understand that netanyahu has a domestic responsibility, so some of that is politics. >> so as a military expert, with your long career, how would you view this? is this an achievement? is it a big step forward? what is it? >> well, it's both. there's no doubt about the fact that it gives everybody an opportunity, actually, to make a change inside iran without having to change the regime. you could change the economics. the leadership has changed there. i don't believe for a second that rouhani has much more than the six months he has been given by us. i think he has been given six months also by the mulahs. he's got to produce oh, otherwise that will be the end of that. >> tommy, vitor, republicans are calling this a distraction from obama care. just how desperate are they at this point? >> yeah. i -- that was one of the most ridiculous tweets i've seen out of a serious u.s. senator. i think this deal is a result of
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years of work by the international community. years of effort by the obama administration to begin a painstaking dialogue with iran, to see if we can get them to the table to come to an agreement. and the reason is very simple. barack obama will not allow iran to have a nuclear weapon, period. if we don't solve that problem, it will be through a military strike. nobody wants that. that's why the president has put so much effort into this diplomatic track. and is this an important accomplishment. >> is this not so much a political gamble for the president? he's not running for re-election. >> yeah, look, i don't think the president views national security issues that way. this isn't about an election for him. he doesn't have another one coming up. this is about solving one of the most pressing challenges to our national security. and so if we do not give diplomacy a chance, what's our other option? it's war. i think this is a far better outcome for the american people, for the united states, for the world. this deal, if they could get through this six months and get to a final agreement, that the
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international community was comfortable with, would reshape the intermiddle east. >> does this push president obama's ---el well, let me put it this way. is the president -- in your opinion, going to be bound on six months? would he really do something if the iranians don't live up to this? >> i think he's going to hold them to this deal. the relief they're getting from the obama administration is time limited. and they are going to try to get them to come to the table during that time. the possibility thing to remember, all of the other sanctions are still on. there is a whole international set of sanctions through the u.n. and through the u.s. that will keep the pressure on iran. so the foot is not coming off the gas here. there is simply a pause in some of those lines of sanctions. and in return, the iranians will roll back or freeze their program for six months in an effort to come to a comprehensive agreement. >> all right. colonel jack, what does a
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comprehensive agreement look like? not like this looks, quite frankly. it's going to be far-ranging, wide-ranging. it would mean, i think in the end, that iran is going to have to foreswear the development of nuclear weapons and continue to submit to inspections that the most notable sites like al bashir and now iraq, maybe even dismantle iraq. and they're also going to have to be some sort of public concessions about the existence of israel. i think without that, the american congress is not going to -- >> can we verify the percentages being put out there? >> oh, sure. i think they're easily verifiable. one of the things that's going to have to happen, however, is that in this period, the next six-month period, iran is going to have to permit unrestricted and unannounced access to all their sites, and the -- and to permit the observation oh of the reduction of the stockpiles from 8 to 7,000, they're going to have to permit the observation
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of the reduction, the elimination of the -- all the 20% enrichment down to 5% and so on. >> is it easy to cheat in a deal like this? >> yes, because we know that there are some sites we don't know with about. >> that's the point. they would have to have prepared themselves to do a deal like this, to be able to cheat on it. they would have to have facilities that we wouldn't know about. or the world wouldn't know about. >> we don't know what we don't know. we're going to base a lot of it on intelligence information that we're going to get from outside the united states. and quite frankly, if we get to the six-month period, and it turns out that everything looks okay, and we start working toward a comprehensive agreement, and we get information that it's not, all bets are off, all the restrictions go back on again. i think iran will be in worse shape than it is now. >> tommy vitor, is it politically safe for democrats to embrace this? >> absolutely. the american people overwhelmingly want a deal with iran and negotiated agreement and not another war. and that's what this deal is an effort to bring about. the last thing in the world we want to see is another iraqike
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war over intelligence. that is fuzzy at best. and to your point earlier, one of the great things about this deal, it actually increases access for the iaea, increases inspections, and so we can have more confidence in the peck at your of iran's nuclear program. and that's a very important thing for the international community. >> all right. tommy vitor, colonel jack jacobs, thanks so much. coming up, congressional gridlock could give you a reason to cry over spilt milk. stay with us. over the next 40 years the united states population is going to grow by over 90 million people, and almost all that growth is going to be in cities. what's the healthiest and best way for them to grow so that they really become cauldrons of prosperity and cities of opportunity? what we have found is that if that family is moved into safe, clean affordable housing, places that have access to great school systems, access to jobs and multiple transportation modes then the neighborhood begins to thrive and then really really take off.
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welcome back to "the ed show." this is the story for the folks who take a shower after work. people all over the country are crowding into grocery stores, getting ready for thanksgiving and hanukkah later this week. but for millions of americans, these celebrations are a struggle. nearly 48 million people participate in the food stamp program called s.n.a.p. at a cost of almost $80 billion a year. now, the program has become the biggest hurdle on a farm bill. republicans want to cut the
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program by approximately $40 billion over the next ten years. the deep divide between democrats and republicans is having a direct impact on consumers and the economy. the average cost of a full turkey dinner for ten people will be about $49 this year. it might not sound like it's too steep, but if. the house and senate don't come to an agreement on an updated farm bill, the sticker shock is going to get worse in the new year. for instance, if congress does not pass a new farm bill or extend the 2008 farm bill before january 1st, some experts are saying a gallon of milk could cost $8. congressman dan kelly of michigan joins us now. good to have you with us on the program. >> thanks, ed. >> in order to qualify for food stamps, an individual has to make less than $15,000 a year. why is it the republicans are hell bent for an election to make sure these people suffer further?
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and how will those people i just talked about be able to afford a gallon of milk at eight bucks? >> well, they won't be able to. that's what's so sad about this. it seems many in the republican conference don't seem to understand what it's like to be poor in america. most of the people receiving food stamps, sure, you have to be below 130% of the poverty line, but a big percentage of those families live at less than half the poverty level. and yet the way the republicans would try to balance our budget would be not to deal with our tax policy, not to look at ways to trim the cost of defense programs, but to actually cut programs that take food out of the mouths of the hungriest people in this country. >> congressman, is this the hangup for a new farm bill or the corporate cuts out there trying to be starved off? >> well, obviously this is a big part of it.
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initially they came with $20 billion of cuts over the next decade. >> then they went to 40. >> then they went to 40. i think this is a big issue for them. i think there are many that don't support many of the provisions that not only help those who need assistance, but actually help the growers that are so important. i mean, the farm bill is really a food bill. it supports many of the growers that produce the products that are made available to our economy and then also supports the tens of millions of people who are at poverty who without the kind of help that the s.n.a.p. program provides them would be going hungry. in the richest country on the world. in the world. it's heartless. >> the republicans seem to almost be doing a pr war against the poor. i mean, what don't they understand about 87% of the people on the s.n.a.p. program are households with children, seniors, or people with disabilities, or veterans.
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do republicans really want to take funding away from them? is it the money or is it they think these folks and portion of society are nothing but a bunch of takers? >> i think many of them believe government should have no role in the play field. there are basically some that are pure free market ideologues that believe we are all on our own. now, most americans don't feel this way. and i think that's why we have to make sure to help them understand what's at stake here. i don't think most americans on the week of thanksgiving will sit idly by and watch members of congress take food out of the mouths of 4 million people. by cutting food stamps by $40 billion. >> that is what they want to do. all right, congressman. i want to talk about the iranian deal which is giving us a six-month window of opportunity. where do you stand on this? is this progress and is it
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something that we can build on? >> i think it's a very important step forward. i think we should be naturally skeptical of the iranian government. but, look. the sanctions have worked. it has brought the iranians to the table. sanctions should not be a long-term punishment, but an inducement to better behavior. in the next six months we will see the enrichment program stalled. and it gives a chance to negotiate an agreement that makes the entire planet safer. this is a step in the right direction. rather than patting ourselves on the back for how tough we are which is what i think some people are doing, we ought to be straight with the american people and tell them, look, this is what we have to do to make the world safer. and i think the president was right. >> what's your response to john cornyn of texas who says this is just a distraction away from obama care.
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and that narrative is out there with the right wing talkers and broadcasters saying that president obama needed a different headline, that this is just a big distraction. your response to that? >> i've seen this even in my own financial services committee. no matter what the question is, the answer is obama care. they are on a one-note program right now. being president of the united states or a member of congress, you have to deal with the entire spectrum of issues. and we can't ignore what's happening in iran in order to make points over the affordable care act. you know, this is a serious question and it requires serious people who are willing to take on the question of the safety of our planet. and dealing with the situation in iran is part of our responsibilities. >> congressman dan kildee, thank you for your time. thanks so much. of course we'll is have more on this on my radio show tomorrow.
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"politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts now. >> thanks, ed. tonight's lead, president obama builds a legacy of peace. that's causing right wingers to choke. as commander in chief, the president has made it clear that sending troops into harm's way should always be a last resort. that tough diplomacy should always be our first option. for the first time in nearly a decade, iran will freeze. iran has agreed -- inspectors will do the monitori

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